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when you look at when things started to move for obama, it was during the debates. specifically he made the case then right or wrong that he was a better steward of the economy than john mccain in troubled times. romney's got to make that case in 2012. >> little different when you're running against an incumbent. right? there's not a direct parallel there. >> look at the transcript. he was running against president bush. that these set of economic policies are wrong and i have a compelling vision. whether he can do that is another story. >> your colleague e.j. deion wrote journalists are in search of defining moments and game changers. by this standard, romney needs to game changer. obama can live quite happily without one. so do you think that mitt romney needs to have a big moment or if he is perceived to have won will at least give republicans some momentum. is that really the most reasonable thing to hope for? >> well, certainly it will. if the race were sort of fixed in time right now, everybody assumes that obama would win. in many ways that's happening becaus
when you look at when things started to move for obama, it was during the debates. specifically he made the case then right or wrong that he was a better steward of the economy than john mccain in troubled times. romney's got to make that case in 2012. >> little different when you're running against an incumbent. right? there's not a direct parallel there. >> look at the transcript. he was running against president bush. that these set of economic policies are wrong and i have a...
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but president obama plans to take the debates seriously. continue the conversation that he had with the american people during his convention speech and talk about the specifics about moving our economy and our country forward. like his plan to increase manufacturing jobs by one million, like his plan to cut oil imports in half in ten years, and his plan to make sure we continue to fight for the middle class and working families. >> but all were promises he made in the first term. is it fair to say the president's second term promise is, i'm continuing everything in the first term? does he owe the american public who seems to have some yearning for some change, and we can have a debate about how much change they want but they want something to chapg. they want the tone in washington to change. what does president obama owe them credibly on what change he'll bring in a second term? >> well, we have already brought a considerable amount of change. president obama inherited the largest set of problems of any president since fdr. in the last si
but president obama plans to take the debates seriously. continue the conversation that he had with the american people during his convention speech and talk about the specifics about moving our economy and our country forward. like his plan to increase manufacturing jobs by one million, like his plan to cut oil imports in half in ten years, and his plan to make sure we continue to fight for the middle class and working families. >> but all were promises he made in the first term. is it...
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in fact, the "los angeles times" says, quote, obama fans are shocked by mitt romney's dominance in debate. "the chicago tribune" said for obama words not said spoke the loude loudest. it said obama hit with a left hook on tv and online. the president is hitted to wisconsin, but not before taking one last parting shot a a fiery rally in denver not too long ago. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. it couldn't have been mitt romney, because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to pay for the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> around the same time governor romney was making a surprise appearance at the conservative political action conference, cpac in denver before heading to virginia for an event with congressman paul ryan later on this evening. zoo >> i know your passion for econo america and your desire to take our country back. for that to happen you guys have to cheer here and knock on doors and get people who vo
in fact, the "los angeles times" says, quote, obama fans are shocked by mitt romney's dominance in debate. "the chicago tribune" said for obama words not said spoke the loude loudest. it said obama hit with a left hook on tv and online. the president is hitted to wisconsin, but not before taking one last parting shot a a fiery rally in denver not too long ago. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. it couldn't have...
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this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with knowledge of the matter. if romney does well, that money could come back. >>> new jersey's governor, chris christie the current front runner for the presidential nomination 2016 has decided his job is to state the obvious. >> it's a huge night. we've had a bad couple of weeks and we want to turn this around and if you want to turn it around you've got to perform on the stage. they try to say the president is not that good a debater or mitt romney is a little scared of the president. those are the professional consultants and politicians who get paid to spin you guys. that's not what my job is. it's a big n
this is much bigger than the mccain-obama debate. >> today mitt romney traveled from boston to colorado where the debate will be held as a major player in romney's fund raiser confirmed to fox business that a few new york donors have backed away from financial commitments to the romney campaign and instead said they will spend their money to help the republicans hold on to the house of represents and pick up seats in the senate. the debates will be very important, said one person with...
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paul ryan gushed over president obama's skills on the debate stage. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. >> shockingly, senior white house adviser david plouffe had the same feelings about governor mitt romney. >> we'd expect it all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and shown himself to be a good debater through the years. >> even the candidates were tamping down expectations yesterday. >> i don't think anyone would suggest the debates aren't important. i can't tell you how important it will be. i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the soft performance has gotten so soft it's almost evaporated. but while almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell new jersey governor chris christie is taking a different tack. overselling with gusto. >> come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. we have a candidate
paul ryan gushed over president obama's skills on the debate stage. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. >> shockingly, senior white house adviser david plouffe had the same feelings about governor mitt romney. >> we'd expect it all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and shown himself to be a good debater...
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question, who will win the debate, obama or romney? you only give one choice. >> i think if romney is allowed to play offense he will win. >> that is no the -- not a part the answer. they didn't give people to write a description and explanation. obama, or romney? i won't embarrass you on wednesday if you're wrong. >> my guess is it will be dead even. >> thank you, steve, villa skype and chris. president obama up by 11 points in key swing states. the latest battleground map. plus, why a "new york times" article says as iowa goes, so may romney's chances of winning the white house. steve will return with that beautiful shot villa skype. in the next few hours, elizabeth warren and scott brown are going to face off again, second debate for them. and it comes as a new poll is out showing a mass shift in massachusetts. and joip our conversation on twitter. you can find us @tamronhall and @newsnation. this is my song pick of the day. [ male announcer ] your mouth is cleanest after a dentist visit. ♪ but between check-ups, it goes through a
question, who will win the debate, obama or romney? you only give one choice. >> i think if romney is allowed to play offense he will win. >> that is no the -- not a part the answer. they didn't give people to write a description and explanation. obama, or romney? i won't embarrass you on wednesday if you're wrong. >> my guess is it will be dead even. >> thank you, steve, villa skype and chris. president obama up by 11 points in key swing states. the latest battleground...
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many more people think that obama will win this debate. the expectations are low for him. he really does. he doesn't just need to hold his own, needs to get in there and give people a reason why he looks and acts like a president in a better way than obama would. >> but michelle, there's so much doubt going that paul ryan, according to the national review, he's even calling conservative pundits to reassure them. let me read you a national review report. it writes, paul ryan has a new mission. reassuring conservative pundits. republicans familiar with the calls say ryan's tone has been positive and upbeat but he has acknowledged that the campaign has made some missteps. this is not liberal bias. this is the national review reporting. the vice presidential candidate is trying to reassure conservative pundits. >> well, conservative pundits, you know, mainstream republican, nobody has been a huge romney constituency here. you know, conservatives loved it when romney got put on the ticket. they thought this was a good sign that the romney campaign was finally going to be about
many more people think that obama will win this debate. the expectations are low for him. he really does. he doesn't just need to hold his own, needs to get in there and give people a reason why he looks and acts like a president in a better way than obama would. >> but michelle, there's so much doubt going that paul ryan, according to the national review, he's even calling conservative pundits to reassure them. let me read you a national review report. it writes, paul ryan has a new...
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look, barack obama hasn't debated in four years. mitt romney has had a lot of debates in that time, but i do think it's worth noting, andrea, that all of mitt romney's debates have been against multiple people. there was never a time where he had a one on one debate against rick santorum or newt gingrich or rick perry. always debating four or five people who were really sort of aiming at him. he was the frontrunner throughout. barack obama had four debates against hillary clinton, one on one in the 2008 democratic primary, then three debates against john mccain. it's a different dynamic than to be the frontrunner where four or five people are aiming at you throughout a debate. >> here we are on the eve practically of the first debate and it's supposed to be an economic, domestic policy. >> right. >> and now foreign policy has reared its head. we have first of all mitt romney and "the wall street journal" an op-ed, saying that these developments are not as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put o
look, barack obama hasn't debated in four years. mitt romney has had a lot of debates in that time, but i do think it's worth noting, andrea, that all of mitt romney's debates have been against multiple people. there was never a time where he had a one on one debate against rick santorum or newt gingrich or rick perry. always debating four or five people who were really sort of aiming at him. he was the frontrunner throughout. barack obama had four debates against hillary clinton, one on one in...
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president obama looking down during the debate. i have a memory of 2008 where we remember the first debate with obama and john mccain, where mccain did not make eye contact for much of the debate with obama. looking down. surprised by romney's strength and not engaged. >> he was intense. he leaned in. it was like he had a lot of coffee before the debate. and he was just going after the president. my question for you, joe, is why can't he transfer this to the campaign trail sf. >> that's what everybody said last night. i think he was comfortable talking about facts. talking about information. i don't think -- >> he wasn't explaining a lot of stuff. >> just hanging out with the kids. >> we're talking about speeches and rallies, things people want to hear. i bet the americans watching last night are the same people going to the rallies. they want to hear more. >> and that's a challenge for mitt romney. you heard that after everybody got over the shock of how great mitt romney and did and how poorly the president did. now can he conver
president obama looking down during the debate. i have a memory of 2008 where we remember the first debate with obama and john mccain, where mccain did not make eye contact for much of the debate with obama. looking down. surprised by romney's strength and not engaged. >> he was intense. he leaned in. it was like he had a lot of coffee before the debate. and he was just going after the president. my question for you, joe, is why can't he transfer this to the campaign trail sf. >>...
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now, president obama is a good debater. i think generally what governor kritty was saying is when the stakes are this high in an election like this, when you have -- when you've added $5 trillion in debt and we have the worst economy since the great depression and now we're seeing our foreign policy collapse around the world, they tend to be independent voters anyway and they tend to focus on the debate. the debates are significant, and i would agree with that? is it pretty clear that if governor romney is writing op-eds 48 hours before that's supposed to be about economy and domestic policy that he's trying to send a signal to jim laird that he wants libya brought up? >> i don't think he's going to mind if libya's brought up. it's a collapse of our foreign policy. really what we're seeing -- >> you say a collapse of foreign policy. well, go ahead. finish your tlans and then i want to talk about that for a minute. >> sure. i think it's going to be a domestic policy debate. i'm sure romney's main message is going to be, look
now, president obama is a good debater. i think generally what governor kritty was saying is when the stakes are this high in an election like this, when you have -- when you've added $5 trillion in debt and we have the worst economy since the great depression and now we're seeing our foreign policy collapse around the world, they tend to be independent voters anyway and they tend to focus on the debate. the debates are significant, and i would agree with that? is it pretty clear that if...
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and obama has a tendency to ramble. i think that's going to be interesting to watch. >> i think the reality is that when the challenger gets the opportunity, to stand on the same stage, feet from the president of the united states and go toe to toe and offer without a media filter, a devastating critique of his failed leadership over the last four years, it's going to make a difference in this race. >> one of the things, ralph, if i can interrupt. this is something that romney says he wants to do in the debates. he had a conversation with "good morning america" about that. let me play a portion and have you respond. >> i think he's going to say a lot of things that aren't accurate. i think that the challenge that i'll have in the debate is that the president tends to how shall i say it? say things that aren't true. and in attacking his opponents. >> give me an example of what he would want to attack. what the president has done, and how you think romney will handle it. >> well i think president obama has, and i want to
and obama has a tendency to ramble. i think that's going to be interesting to watch. >> i think the reality is that when the challenger gets the opportunity, to stand on the same stage, feet from the president of the united states and go toe to toe and offer without a media filter, a devastating critique of his failed leadership over the last four years, it's going to make a difference in this race. >> one of the things, ralph, if i can interrupt. this is something that romney says...
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if you're governor rom any, he did very well in the debates and i think president obama is a good debater, not a great debater, to be frank about it. but the expectations game and the reality of what he has to accomplish is he has to go out there and change minds. and he has to do it when the fact is, when this is republicans ignored. they know him. they don't like his policies. >> go ahead, joe. >> i think that chris makes a great point. the 1980, ronald reagan really changed the course of the debate and helped himself by saying to americans, think back, are you better off today than you were four years ago, is it easier to get a job, are there fewer of you that are unemployed and by getting the american folks to concentrate on that as opposed to how much they like president carter really helped. >> that's a variation of the question that the romney campaign has been asking for several months and the results that they're getting based on the polling is not the answer that the romney campaign wants. >> well style matters in the debate. think about ronald reagan. jimmy carter had a lot of
if you're governor rom any, he did very well in the debates and i think president obama is a good debater, not a great debater, to be frank about it. but the expectations game and the reality of what he has to accomplish is he has to go out there and change minds. and he has to do it when the fact is, when this is republicans ignored. they know him. they don't like his policies. >> go ahead, joe. >> i think that chris makes a great point. the 1980, ronald reagan really changed the...
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you know, i'm going ten to one that mitt romney touches president obama during this debate and loses his cool. that's just who the guy is, i think. susan, did governor chris christie think he was helping mitt romney by saying that the debate would just be turning this race upside down? what do you think? >> i think chris christie was just being chris christie. while you're correct, a lot of people were dampening expectations, chris said what a lot of people are hoping and thinking. mitt romney delivers a vision with some specifics that people can grab on to and can turn this race around. the fact is things flip-flopped very, very quickly in the last two or three weeks. they can go back the other way. only if romney performs well. >> chris kofinis, do you believe that romney can turn this around as many months as he's had, one misstep after another, and by a wide margin, americans think president obama is going to win this debate and has the upper hand. what about expectations and what about the possibility of romney turning this around? what do you think? >> well, that's clearly thei
you know, i'm going ten to one that mitt romney touches president obama during this debate and loses his cool. that's just who the guy is, i think. susan, did governor chris christie think he was helping mitt romney by saying that the debate would just be turning this race upside down? what do you think? >> i think chris christie was just being chris christie. while you're correct, a lot of people were dampening expectations, chris said what a lot of people are hoping and thinking. mitt...
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president obama and the campaign has won the summer. never behind in the polls, had a better convention, no question about it. and in the post convention, it's only gotten worse. now we're down to the debates in denver on wednesday night. the first one is on domestic policy. there are some republicans who are putting their credibility on the line, going out on the talking heads saying that mitt romney, after all of these months of missteps and not being sure of where he is on the issues, he's just going to turn it all around and, by the way, they can't explain the math on how they are going to turn it around. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. do you trust mitt romney's and paul ryan's math? text a for yes or b for no. you can go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. joining me is howard fineman, nbc news political analyst. great to have you with us tonight. it's really been an all over the map strategy, almost like a dart board mentality. let's see where it lands today. can paul r
president obama and the campaign has won the summer. never behind in the polls, had a better convention, no question about it. and in the post convention, it's only gotten worse. now we're down to the debates in denver on wednesday night. the first one is on domestic policy. there are some republicans who are putting their credibility on the line, going out on the talking heads saying that mitt romney, after all of these months of missteps and not being sure of where he is on the issues, he's...
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that's where he made his mistakes during the primary debates. and obama has a tendency to ramble. and i think that's going to be interesting to watch. >> listen, i think the reality is that when the challenger gets the opportunity to stand on the same stage, feet from the president of the united states, and go toe-to-toe, and offer without any media fundamentalad press densz densy, i think it will make a difference. >> romney had a conversation with "good morning america" about that. let me play a portion and have you respond to it in particular. >> i think he's going to say a lot of things that aren't accurate. but i think that the challenge that i'll have in the debate is that the president tends to, how shall i say it, say things that aren't true. and in attacking his opponents. >> give me an example of what he would want to attack, what the president has done, and how you think romney will handle it. >> well, i think president obama has, and i want to be charitable here, has a casual relationship with the truth. he's very eloquent. he's extremely articulate. he is very bright.
that's where he made his mistakes during the primary debates. and obama has a tendency to ramble. and i think that's going to be interesting to watch. >> listen, i think the reality is that when the challenger gets the opportunity to stand on the same stage, feet from the president of the united states, and go toe-to-toe, and offer without any media fundamentalad press densz densy, i think it will make a difference. >> romney had a conversation with "good morning america"...
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a couple of days before the debate, embracing he was the godfather of obama care. the larger issue is, with mitt romney coming out and saying, i was wrong, does that help him reset his campaign? >> no. >> you say -- >> i say no because he's looking more and more like a shape shifter, which is precisely the stereotype that people have somehow in their minds held about him, including people on the right. you don't know who the real mitt romney is. by doing this it's like he's inflicting 1,000 cuts on himself. this constant movement and bobs and weaving doesn't help him recover when it comes to likability and trustability. >> anne let met get you in. in virginia governor romney was with congressman ryan there. they had the fireworks, and it actually reminlded me of when the republicans would criticize the democrats for having those pillars remember at the last democratic national convention. quite a beautiful sight, but even chuck todd and our first read team noted that image alone could look like you still have a few more debates to go. >> well, i think that's right.
a couple of days before the debate, embracing he was the godfather of obama care. the larger issue is, with mitt romney coming out and saying, i was wrong, does that help him reset his campaign? >> no. >> you say -- >> i say no because he's looking more and more like a shape shifter, which is precisely the stereotype that people have somehow in their minds held about him, including people on the right. you don't know who the real mitt romney is. by doing this it's like he's...
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>> barack obama he and hiss choice would haven't the debate. after all today's polls are up nine points in ohio. it looks like these debates are just the rapids the president has to go through. if he didn't have them, it would be fair sailing. so for mitt romney, these debates are essential. he's going to have to show that he's presidential. so far when he went to the olympic and maybe gaffed and he stumbled with that 44%. they're not sure they can live with the guy for four years so mitt romney has to really be the one that comes out the winner. he's got to score. >> there was a time between the famous kennedy-nixon tapes that there were no televised debates. why are they considered so vital now? >> well, the kennedy-nixon debates created so much attention in 1960. many people think that's why ted kennedy won. if you recall ford made famously the gap that -- and then certainly by 1980, ronald reagan was very behind in the polls was just able to tidal wave over jimmy carter with quips like there you go again in a sort of staged format. since 19
>> barack obama he and hiss choice would haven't the debate. after all today's polls are up nine points in ohio. it looks like these debates are just the rapids the president has to go through. if he didn't have them, it would be fair sailing. so for mitt romney, these debates are essential. he's going to have to show that he's presidential. so far when he went to the olympic and maybe gaffed and he stumbled with that 44%. they're not sure they can live with the guy for four years so mitt...
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if kerry is filling in for romney against this debate, you know, against obama in debate prep, is he preparing him for more than just substance? is he also preparing him for these stylistic what-ifs? these moments where obama could be pulled in one direction or the other and trying to sort of hedge against that? >> well, i think the biggest disadvantage obama has right now is practice. mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot and got to beat up other people. barack obama had no primary process and has not been in a debate since his debates in the last election. so i think he's got -- he's not in fighting shape is my guess and all these practices he's doing, are to get him in the fighting shape. hopefully they have enough time to do it and hopefully he has a sparring opponent in john kerry who is not pulling any punches, not being as respectful to him as his staff might be and showing him that mitt romney is going to get on the stage knowing this is probably his last chance and he's going to be very aggressive in taking on
if kerry is filling in for romney against this debate, you know, against obama in debate prep, is he preparing him for more than just substance? is he also preparing him for these stylistic what-ifs? these moments where obama could be pulled in one direction or the other and trying to sort of hedge against that? >> well, i think the biggest disadvantage obama has right now is practice. mitt romney's had a lot of debates. he went through a long primary practice where he got beat up a lot...
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we've soon barack obama debate better than he did tonight. has the presidency changed himself so much that he can't go back to being a good debater? this is what he's like now? >> that's the $64 question. if what we saw tonight is what we see in the next two debates, president obama is going to be in serious trouble. how is this going to play in ohio? he has to make the case to the middle class that he's headed in the right direction with the economy. >> not one time did he say i want the american people to know we've added private-sector jobs for the last 30 months and we're headed in the right direction. how hard is that to say? is that hard? >> ezra klein is coming up to check some of the money numbers that we did hear tonight. we're mad about the numbers that were not articulated as we check the one that were. our live coverage of the first presidential debate. stay with us. >> this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is, never mind. >> we'll focus on getting the cost of health care down.
we've soon barack obama debate better than he did tonight. has the presidency changed himself so much that he can't go back to being a good debater? this is what he's like now? >> that's the $64 question. if what we saw tonight is what we see in the next two debates, president obama is going to be in serious trouble. how is this going to play in ohio? he has to make the case to the middle class that he's headed in the right direction with the economy. >> not one time did he say i...
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the jobs report is in easing concern about obama's weak debate. nate silver said first day in while obama is is happy for everyone to talk about the economy because the numbers are better than expected with the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8%, a four-year low. exactly where it was when president obama took office. there was only a net gain of 114,000 jobs created last month. too low for sustained unemployment reduction. so something for both sides to like. the president has to be thrilled about this jobs numbers, though. it's a game changer unless it's not. the president is the out on the trail pushing it. >> as a nation we are moving forward again. we're moving forward. more people are getting jobs. now, every month reminds us that we've still got too many of our friends and neighbors looking for work. today's news certainly is not an excuse to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> my friends, whenever fall comes the leaves turn pretty colors and the jobs
the jobs report is in easing concern about obama's weak debate. nate silver said first day in while obama is is happy for everyone to talk about the economy because the numbers are better than expected with the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8%, a four-year low. exactly where it was when president obama took office. there was only a net gain of 114,000 jobs created last month. too low for sustained unemployment reduction. so something for both sides to like. the president has to be thrilled...
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speaking of zingers, donald trump advises on twitter, in debate mitt romney should ask obama why auto by fri states born in kenya, raised in indonesia. i think that's a great idea, don't you? he's already got his birther joke handy. why not go straight for the birthers. >> his facts are as accurate as the republican facts have been. that was never said in obama's autobiography. it was a silly thing that a publicity agent had made years before. but just to pick up on karen's point for a second, i think she's onto something. you don't come to a gun fight with a butter knife. that's effectively what romney is doing. debates are about, guess what, debates. that means you come with facts and ideas. and it's hard for me to understand what exactly romney is coming to this debate with. >> 20% across the board tax cut. >> right. which has to mean a tax increase for the middle class. it's the only way to pay for it if you want it to be revenue neutral. he can't make the argument about the economy because as we've said, he'll try to make the argument that obama has been an infective steward. we'
speaking of zingers, donald trump advises on twitter, in debate mitt romney should ask obama why auto by fri states born in kenya, raised in indonesia. i think that's a great idea, don't you? he's already got his birther joke handy. why not go straight for the birthers. >> his facts are as accurate as the republican facts have been. that was never said in obama's autobiography. it was a silly thing that a publicity agent had made years before. but just to pick up on karen's point for a...
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right now, at this very moment, mitt romney and barack obama are holed up in last-minute debate prep for tomorrow night's main event. speaking to a volunteer nevada yaeds, president obama made it sound like a college cram session minus the no doze and pizza. >> basically they're keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. they're making me do my homework. >> governor romney, however, may have twice the work load. he'll have two opponents on stage tomorrow, president obama and himself. eugene robinson write in "the washington post" -- it prompts to be an epic clash. mitt romney versus mitt romney. oh. and president obama will be there too. this conundrum of what we'll call the paradox of the mittens, dates back to 1994 when senator ted kennedy dropped this debate heat rock. >> on the question of the choice issue, i have supported the row v raid wade, i am pro choice, my opponent is multiple choice. >> so which bubble will the multiple choice candidate fill in on tomorrow night's test? which mitt will triumph on stage. even members of the conservative establishment aren't sure. bill
right now, at this very moment, mitt romney and barack obama are holed up in last-minute debate prep for tomorrow night's main event. speaking to a volunteer nevada yaeds, president obama made it sound like a college cram session minus the no doze and pizza. >> basically they're keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. they're making me do my homework. >> governor romney, however, may have twice the work load. he'll have two opponents on stage tomorrow, president obama and...
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you know, if, like, al gore, you have president obama losing three debates, it can happen. but let's say you lose ohio, suddenly mitt romney has to win north carolina. he has to win virginia. he has to win iowa. he has to win new hampshire. he has to win colorado. he has to win nevada. and, of course, he has to win florida, which he's losing now. by the way, if you don't win florida, we're not even having this discussion. let's talk about what we're getting for christmas. >> it's clear that in looking for a path to 270 electoral votes for romney without ohio, we're neither predicting or hoping it will happen, we're simply running the numbers. ohio is -- >> are we going to have to caveat for the rest of the year? >> almost always, just for that. the left is still a little restive. >> particularly fox news is in on the conspiracy polls. >> closing the auto bailout, not strong support from evangelicals, and it's more of a populist state than some of these others. so he can get to 270 without ohio because there may be a rising tide that lifts all the other battleground states,
you know, if, like, al gore, you have president obama losing three debates, it can happen. but let's say you lose ohio, suddenly mitt romney has to win north carolina. he has to win virginia. he has to win iowa. he has to win new hampshire. he has to win colorado. he has to win nevada. and, of course, he has to win florida, which he's losing now. by the way, if you don't win florida, we're not even having this discussion. let's talk about what we're getting for christmas. >> it's clear...
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he's just not a great debater. >> look whose feelings of barack obama came back to her. i guess what happened in charlotte stayed in charlotte. >> when american markets broke down, who jump started our engine? barack obama! and when america needed him most, who got us rolling again on the road to recovery? >> but let me ask you this, people, who couldn't get laid in a whore house with a first full of hundreds! barack obama. >> i still can't get over her speech. alex, will you please get some clips of that. i want to go back in time. that was -- >> when she was on the dating game. have you seen the clip from the dating game? >> that was fantastic. no, i found her to be riveting at the convention. >> she was riveting. >> i could not take my eyes off her. >> the way that charlie sheen is riveting. >> it was unbelievable. why not? let's throw it out there. >> stay in your own zone. don't channel jennifer granholm here? >> you don't think that'd be attractive. >> what does extreme mika look like. >> i could do the tease as granholm. what do you think? >> do some extreme mika.
he's just not a great debater. >> look whose feelings of barack obama came back to her. i guess what happened in charlotte stayed in charlotte. >> when american markets broke down, who jump started our engine? barack obama! and when america needed him most, who got us rolling again on the road to recovery? >> but let me ask you this, people, who couldn't get laid in a whore house with a first full of hundreds! barack obama. >> i still can't get over her speech. alex,...
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mitt romney is the clear winner of last night's debate, even i'm co conceding the obama loss. we all agree on this. the real question on moving forward is weather romney's win will change the race. we've seen mondale outperform president raleigh in 1984 and with john kerry defeated bush. neither kerry or mondale translated that into an election night win, although steve kornacki likes to think about a potential mondale president history. as the dust settles, they're back on the trail today. obama is en route to a rally in wisconsin, but earlier today in denver supporters saw the obama we hoped to see last night. >> when i got onto the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. he said that he doesn't even know that there's such laws that encourage outsourcing, never heard of them. he said if it's true, he must need a new accountant. we know for sure it was not the real mitt romney, because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant. thank goodness somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. it's about time. >> that guy's a winner.
mitt romney is the clear winner of last night's debate, even i'm co conceding the obama loss. we all agree on this. the real question on moving forward is weather romney's win will change the race. we've seen mondale outperform president raleigh in 1984 and with john kerry defeated bush. neither kerry or mondale translated that into an election night win, although steve kornacki likes to think about a potential mondale president history. as the dust settles, they're back on the trail today....
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believe how bad this guy did in the debate. >> john stewart's postmortem of president obama's performance at the denver debate. that clip and a check on weather when "way too early" comes right back. >>> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8... >>> 5:45 in the morning as we look at a beautiful live picture of new york city from the top of our building looking south. now we're looking east. first south then east. bill karins with a look at the first. >> today's a sad day. last day for our jean shorts and tank tops. >> i never say that. >> you keep them out all year? >> indian summer is a great time for jean shorts. >> yes, they are. good morning, everyone. if you're on the east coast, a little tas
believe how bad this guy did in the debate. >> john stewart's postmortem of president obama's performance at the denver debate. that clip and a check on weather when "way too early" comes right back. >>> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till...
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when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's televised debate. so the first televised presidential debate that we had was in 1960. here are all of the other years that we have since have televised presidential debates. every four years now we have these debates on tv. the only years, though, so these are all the years, right, right? the only years, though, in which you had an incumbent president running against a challenger in all of the years we've had presidential debates on tv are these years. so in terms of understanding the historical context of what happened last night when mitt romney beat president obama in this first debate, this is the universe of like things to compare it to. this is how to understand it in terms of american political history. it's only these years right here. that's it. now, by definition, you never have an incumbent president in this situation more than once. presidents can only serve two terms so there's only one opportunity when they carry into that debate, when they're running for re-election, they carry into that
when mitt romney beat president obama in last night's televised debate. so the first televised presidential debate that we had was in 1960. here are all of the other years that we have since have televised presidential debates. every four years now we have these debates on tv. the only years, though, so these are all the years, right, right? the only years, though, in which you had an incumbent president running against a challenger in all of the years we've had presidential debates on tv are...
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how many debates did we step away, it's hillary, it's obama. but joe biden won this debate. i wrote that column four or five times in 2007, 2008. think way back. when joe biden first ran for president in the 1988 cycle. that was the plagiarism thing. but besides that, when he was running, this guy was the star order of the field. he was a young senator at the time but it was his oratory that set him apart from the rest of the field. i look at this and i say, i've always thought that obama's biggest weaknesses one of the weaknesses is debates. i think it's biden's biggest strength. i'm setting the bar really high. >> the onion teaches ruthlessly with that shirtless joe biden waxing his -- it's horrible, right? he's sort of an elder statesman of the party. you have the young upstart ryan. >> yeah. i mean, look, i agree with steve to a certain degree. i think this vice presidential debate will be reminiscent of 2000 when you had dick cheney and joe lieberman. two very smart individuals on the ticket. very thoughtful in terms of the vice presidential debate. there was not a lot
how many debates did we step away, it's hillary, it's obama. but joe biden won this debate. i wrote that column four or five times in 2007, 2008. think way back. when joe biden first ran for president in the 1988 cycle. that was the plagiarism thing. but besides that, when he was running, this guy was the star order of the field. he was a young senator at the time but it was his oratory that set him apart from the rest of the field. i look at this and i say, i've always thought that obama's...
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if the obama campaign can win the post debate they can make up some ground in the next couple of days in terms of what happened last night. >> and andrea, i don't disagree. i think the next couple of days are crucial for the romney campaign. they've got to put more meat on the bones and let people know his record in massachusetts has someone who could govern in a bipartisan way and get effective legislation done, that's important. telling the full story on taxes, how you don't want to have a big massive tax cut for rich people. if you get rid of that talking point for the democrats they that's a bonus for the romney campaign. the romney campaign has to be aggressive in the post debate setting to make sure that they are getting their points across because you know the obama team is going hard against them and this is where it's going to be won or lost. >> one of the things that mitt romney did last night, he was giving personal examples of speaking to this person who had a problem, or this person who had a problem, people he met along the trail. he talked about the suffering of the mid
if the obama campaign can win the post debate they can make up some ground in the next couple of days in terms of what happened last night. >> and andrea, i don't disagree. i think the next couple of days are crucial for the romney campaign. they've got to put more meat on the bones and let people know his record in massachusetts has someone who could govern in a bipartisan way and get effective legislation done, that's important. telling the full story on taxes, how you don't want to...
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i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this, we all play it as a game. if you were an average person sitting at home last night, you said, wait a minute, i suspect that guy romney's going to increase my taxes. wait a minute, i'm a senior. it will cost me $600 more for prescription drugs. i think those are the things that are important to voters and that's why i think the president's performance last night is a little underrated. >> that's what i felt immediately last night. i can say a lot of people say romney won. some say the president won. there's no doubt in my mind who took a whooping last night, the truth. bob, jared, thanks for your time this evening. >> thanks. you were great last night. >> thank you. >>> coming up, foul play. what the heck did big bird ever do to mitt romney? it was one of the real bird brain moments from the debate. and the president's calling him out on it. >> we didn't know that big bird was driving the federal defici
i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this, we all play it as a game. if you were an average person sitting at home last night, you said, wait a minute, i suspect that guy romney's going to increase my taxes. wait a minute, i'm a senior. it will cost me $600 more for prescription drugs. i think those are the things that are important to voters and that's...
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we're overlooking the simple fact obama is not that good a debater. he wasn't that great a debater in the democratic primary. he did fine against john mccain but it wasn't acceptable. last night he clearly lost. one thing i'm hearing from democratic sources is he didn't end up with one of those moments that's going to haunt him. >> no, i don't think so. he doesn't lose any supporters and he certainly recovers from this, but we can't have any more like that. i say that. sam stein, e.j. dionne, great to have you with us tonight. >>> next, we debunk romney's $5 trillion tax lie with david k. johnston. stay with us. >>> mitt romney tried hard last night to make up ground with middle class voters. he put on quite a dog and pony show. tonight we'll remind you who the real mitt romney is with teamster's president james hoffa. stay with us. >>> first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> that was mitt romney trying to r
we're overlooking the simple fact obama is not that good a debater. he wasn't that great a debater in the democratic primary. he did fine against john mccain but it wasn't acceptable. last night he clearly lost. one thing i'm hearing from democratic sources is he didn't end up with one of those moments that's going to haunt him. >> no, i don't think so. he doesn't lose any supporters and he certainly recovers from this, but we can't have any more like that. i say that. sam stein, e.j....
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he's going to be doing a lot of practicing for that debate wednesday night. >> this is president obama's first debate since 2008. governor romney had what seemed like 163 primary debates earlier this year. how confident are the president's advisers that he's not a tad rusty? >> reporter: you know, i think that that's something, a story line that they would like to promote. what we've seen, it's almost comica comical, to the extent we've seen both camps downplayings the expectations. so much of life is expectations, so much of a political debate like this. one of the president's advisers the other day talking about, you know, the president's so loquacious. he's got to keep his answers tighter. and by turns, mitt romney's camp talking about the president's gifted oratorical skills. so they both can't be right, but i think both sides are relatively confident going into this. >> to hear both of them tell it, the other guy is the best debater since abe lincoln himself. mike viqueira, thank you so much. appreciate your time, sir. there are, of course, great expectations on both sides for next
he's going to be doing a lot of practicing for that debate wednesday night. >> this is president obama's first debate since 2008. governor romney had what seemed like 163 primary debates earlier this year. how confident are the president's advisers that he's not a tad rusty? >> reporter: you know, i think that that's something, a story line that they would like to promote. what we've seen, it's almost comica comical, to the extent we've seen both camps downplayings the expectations....
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that brings up the debate. no retorts like that from president obama. what do you make of the fact that we are now -- it's basically a fact now. four of the last five sitting presidents in the first presidential debate watched the challengers clean the clock. >> actually, i think this is good for the country, chuck. the reason i think it's good for the country is it will engage the country. there were big ideas last night. some of them imperfectly articulated and not well defended in some instances. they are talking about the issues on the minds of a lot of american people. and so i think this morning we have a kickstart to the presidential campaign. if it had been romney performing like the president, it would have been over. >> it's interesting. what do you make of this? is it the issue with a sitting president not used to being challenge. it's been a long time. what do you think it is? >> i don't think it counts. this is the most important debate of the campaign. >> et it together. >> get it together. you're the president of the united states. you ha
that brings up the debate. no retorts like that from president obama. what do you make of the fact that we are now -- it's basically a fact now. four of the last five sitting presidents in the first presidential debate watched the challengers clean the clock. >> actually, i think this is good for the country, chuck. the reason i think it's good for the country is it will engage the country. there were big ideas last night. some of them imperfectly articulated and not well defended in some...
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and so i think that president obama has a record in a debate. we know who he is. he means what he says. and i think that this is the failure of romney's campaign, throughout the entire narrative of this campaign, we've never been able to really know who this guy is. he has to play tonight. >> i think chris's point about emotional intelligence is really important. but i will say this. training can get people to places they haven't been before. when president obama began, everyone said he was too professorial, too diffident, he didn't have that elmpathic quality. >> and when people are having a good time, you like them. we're having a good time. do you like us? we are now just a couple of minutes away from the big show. this is my favorite night in politics. this is part of the reason we are excited here. this is msnbc's live coverage of the first presidential debate. we're right back. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development com
and so i think that president obama has a record in a debate. we know who he is. he means what he says. and i think that this is the failure of romney's campaign, throughout the entire narrative of this campaign, we've never been able to really know who this guy is. he has to play tonight. >> i think chris's point about emotional intelligence is really important. but i will say this. training can get people to places they haven't been before. when president obama began, everyone said he...
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>> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so are you saying he misspoke in one of those? >> i'm not going to get into whether he misspoke or not -- what i know is he has said all along, 20% across the board for everybody, and that means everybody. to what specifically he was speaking there, i'm not exactly sure. but it's a clear choice what you have. we don't need to get caught up on the back and forth. he is going to put forward pro-growth jobs. and 7.8% is an anemic recovery. that is nothing to celebrate. i remember when president bush was criticized by president obama when i worked for him -- >> but for the past four years, republican have said saying over and over and over, he promised 8%. and it's 7.8 now. >> the reason it's below 7.8% is because
>> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so are you saying he misspoke in one of those? >> i'm not going to get into whether he...
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barack obama. >>> americans are hoping for a few magic moments during the debate. we thought it was fun to look backwards and talk about our favorite debate moments throughout history. experts disagree how much the debates affect the voters. there's no question they shape how we recommend the elections. we all thought about this and came up with a signature moment from debates past. i'll lead it off. i had a lot that came to my mind, but one stands out from 1992. bill clinton and george bush sr. and ross perot. it was the first die bait that year. the back story was george bush won the white house by sort of playing on patriotism themes. flag burns issues like this. really in my ways seemed to question dukakis's pati patriot. here comes bill clinton. he was at oxford during the vietnam war and participating in protests over there. george bush sr. on the campaign trail and the republicans started to play this up and coming close to questioning the patriotism of xwlibill clinton. bush brought it up and they went to clinton for a response. they think it can work here
barack obama. >>> americans are hoping for a few magic moments during the debate. we thought it was fun to look backwards and talk about our favorite debate moments throughout history. experts disagree how much the debates affect the voters. there's no question they shape how we recommend the elections. we all thought about this and came up with a signature moment from debates past. i'll lead it off. i had a lot that came to my mind, but one stands out from 1992. bill clinton and...
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, the black man, in advance of the debate. >> yeah, absolutely, shock, horror, barack obama is a black man. michael, i've read your outstanding piece in which you talk about the fact that the process of fact-checking by voters has actually declined. it's almost a suggestion we've had so many lies through this campaign, and i can think of at least 60 delivered by the romney/ryan camp, that people are just not responding to it anymore. >> you know, the irony is the press is actually much better at calling out these deceptions but the public has not yet shown they are willing to move on these deceptions. they don't -- they for give their own guy for deceiving and they love blaming the other guy for deceiving. there hasn't been any punishment. if you're a political consultant or political professional, you know other than sending eames to fact-checking sites or writing an open letter, you don't have to worry too much if your ad contains something, which several of these ads have. you've discussed a number on your show that aren't factually accurate. >> john, isn't the temptation for the pr
, the black man, in advance of the debate. >> yeah, absolutely, shock, horror, barack obama is a black man. michael, i've read your outstanding piece in which you talk about the fact that the process of fact-checking by voters has actually declined. it's almost a suggestion we've had so many lies through this campaign, and i can think of at least 60 delivered by the romney/ryan camp, that people are just not responding to it anymore. >> you know, the irony is the press is actually...
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joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus -- >> how can you be president of the united states, mark halperin and not have these basic answers? >> well, it's more the format i think than not having the answers. he spent a lot of the evening going after mitt romney for things that he thinks he can win the election on like taxes and medicare. it wasn't like he never responded to him. >> isn't the format in washington that you get in a room with someone and you go at it and try and figure it out? >> and that's what we're asking. has he been too isolated? listen, we talked to him -- the guy is brilliant. he really is. but has he become so isolated there's not the back and forth with even democratic leadership? because the democr
joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus -- >> how can you be president of the united states, mark halperin and not have these basic answers?...
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watch this tape that our producers put together of critiques of barack obama's debate performance in the past. this is not last night's debate. take a look. >> a lot of the pundants are saying this was not a very strong performance last night for barack obama. >> hillary clinton is running as the tough fighter, and if obama doesn't show democrats he can be a tough fighter against the republican attack machine so called but in fact it is, then, you know, democrats are going to pull back from him. >> subpar performance in the debate by senator obama and a great performance by senator clinton. >> i think they saw john mccain is the tough guy and barack obama is the cerebral guy. >> he seemed to lose control. >> john mccain clearly won this battle on points. >> so this is it every time. i actually thought that he was during the primary a subpar debater. in fact, debate after debate in which he wouldn't throw the punch and this was the big -- >> right. i think part of the issue is romney has been making so many big mistakes and has been so underperforming. a lot of us forgot he can stay s
watch this tape that our producers put together of critiques of barack obama's debate performance in the past. this is not last night's debate. take a look. >> a lot of the pundants are saying this was not a very strong performance last night for barack obama. >> hillary clinton is running as the tough fighter, and if obama doesn't show democrats he can be a tough fighter against the republican attack machine so called but in fact it is, then, you know, democrats are going to pull...
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the good news for president obama if he performs well in the next two debates he could end up becoming the debate champion of the year. and that poor performance will become a very vague, distant memory, however, the fact he is becoming comedy fodder is a problem. >> if you have a challenger coming in, does really well the first time, do they continue to come in and do well or does the standing politician come back and dukes up, go for it? >> if you're a republican and you look for the history, you like to think of 1980, in this case, where ronald reagan did very well against jimmy carter, carter had 52 hostages in iran, you know, long gasoline lines. yet people didn't quite imagine reagan in the white house. reagan turned that around in the debates, and of course won a landslide victory. however, there is not going to be a landslide for any of the other candidates, we are a red/blue country, i think the elections will be closer to something like that 2004 -- kerry/bush than it will be anything else. >> yeah, with regard to what you're looking for out of the vice presidential debate on
the good news for president obama if he performs well in the next two debates he could end up becoming the debate champion of the year. and that poor performance will become a very vague, distant memory, however, the fact he is becoming comedy fodder is a problem. >> if you have a challenger coming in, does really well the first time, do they continue to come in and do well or does the standing politician come back and dukes up, go for it? >> if you're a republican and you look for...
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two debates between president obama and mitt romney. >> in terms of thursday's debate, did the president's performance at all during that make the vp debate more vitticcal? critical? >> increased pressure on joe biden. for democrats to get in a very good performance and you ent up looking, paul rye sn a very well-spoken person, although this is going to be his first debate on a stage like this. joe biden has done this many times before. he actually might have a little advantage. as we all know sometimes joe biden is saying things that actually draw attention. so i do think that this is going to be a must-see debate for the country, and, of course, the obama campaign is hoping for a little better performance. >> very gracious way to talk about things that the vice president said in the past. mark murray, thank you very much. >> thanks, alex. >>> in this week's office politic, christy todd whitman, first to defeat an uncome bent governor in an election. today new jersey's only female governor. talks chris christie and her role about bringing a very famous dog to the white house. first we tal
two debates between president obama and mitt romney. >> in terms of thursday's debate, did the president's performance at all during that make the vp debate more vitticcal? critical? >> increased pressure on joe biden. for democrats to get in a very good performance and you ent up looking, paul rye sn a very well-spoken person, although this is going to be his first debate on a stage like this. joe biden has done this many times before. he actually might have a little advantage. as...
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the obama people were very smart, went out there right away with the bain ads. he defined romney. he had no defense. his only defense was i made free enterprise. he suddenly became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to those reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly those reagan democrats thought romney had understood them, had come from a family a lot like theirs and cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich, by the rim. >> there are big moments in everybody's campaign. and romney's 47% remark may be his. and todd akin is at the center. ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing a reason to look twice. the entirely new lexus es and the first-ever es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. his morning starts with arthritis pain. and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brings more pain. so, back to more pills. almost done, when... hang on. stan's doctor recommended aleve. it can keep pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rudy. who switched to
the obama people were very smart, went out there right away with the bain ads. he defined romney. he had no defense. his only defense was i made free enterprise. he suddenly became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to those reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly those reagan democrats thought romney had understood them, had come from a family a lot like theirs and cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich, by the rim. >> there...